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How awful? I can't wait 'till Friday when all of my work will be done. How can people seriously put a grade on art? A picture can be viewed in millions of different ways but some people have the "authority" to judge it. I feel creating a piece is way to valuable to be put it front of a board who claim to know what good art is. Teehee, I have to go draw a picture of a clown.

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posted on April 29 2008,4:33
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agrivatedplatypus
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If you don't want your work to be judged, and just want the experience of creating it, don't put it up for critique. Simple.

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posted on April 29 2008,6:08
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I got a 3 on the AP last year. I'm still mad about it.

posted on April 29 2008,6:20
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dea
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Quote (Necromancer @ April 29 2008,6:20)

I got a 3 on the AP last year. I'm still mad about it.

why?

ap graders/art school admissions offices/gallery owners/museum curators are not immune to trends, old-fashioned thinking, or arbitrary evaluations. it's the nature of our society to assign values to absolute fucking everything.

either make the system work for you or fuck it and just make the art you love!

posted on April 29 2008,6:23
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annie hall
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i can understand being mad about a 3, because after all of that extra hard work, a lot of colleges won't accept it for credit. i know i would've been pissed if i didn't get credit for all of my APs.

there comes a time when you have to learn to play the game, and current academia is part of it.

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posted on April 29 2008,7:30
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Quote (agrivatedplatypus @ April 29 2008,6:08)

If you don't want your work to be judged, and just want the experience of creating it, don't put it up for critique. Simple.

I would do this except for the fact that I suffered for the past year in order for a stupid test next week. Too late.

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posted on April 29 2008,7:33
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Quote (annie hall @ April 29 2008,7:30)

i can understand being mad about a 3, because after all of that extra hard work, a lot of colleges won't accept it for credit. i know i would've been pissed if i didn't get credit for all of my APs.

Well, I'm going to art school, so I doubt they'd give me credit for it anyway.

It's more that, not to sound conceited, but I know that what I did was good. I was hoping for a 4, my teacher kept telling me I was going to get a 5. My friend, who I was sure was going to get a 5, got a 4. I'd really like to know what these people are thinking when they're giving out grades.

posted on April 29 2008,7:38
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worldwithoutgrudges
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i kind of wanted to take the test, but my school doesnt offer it.

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posted on April 29 2008,7:41
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annie hall
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Quote (Necromancer @ April 29 2008,7:38)

Quote (annie hall @ April 29 2008,7:30)

i can understand being mad about a 3, because after all of that extra hard work, a lot of colleges won't accept it for credit. i know i would've been pissed if i didn't get credit for all of my APs.

usually schools give elective credit if the AP was within your major.

as long as you were proud of what you did, that's what should matter most.

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posted on April 29 2008,7:41
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Quote (worldwithoutgrudges @ April 29 2008,7:41)

i kind of wanted to take the test, but my school doesnt offer it.

shit sux

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posted on April 29 2008,7:44
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Quote (annie hall @ April 29 2008,7:30)

there comes a time when you have to learn to play the game, and current academia is part of it.

yeah, but it sucks and is absurd!

i'm so jealous of you art kids. i really would love to study art but have no time and can't get into any of the super full classes at my college. i'm thinking of taking illustration in the city next january or next summer.

posted on April 29 2008,7:54
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Quote (dea @ April 29 2008,7:54)

Quote (annie hall @ April 29 2008,7:30)

there comes a time when you have to learn to play the game, and current academia is part of it.

at my school, right?

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posted on April 29 2008,7:55
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Quote (worldwithoutgrudges @ April 29 2008,7:55)

Quote (dea @ April 29 2008,7:54)

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there comes a time when you have to learn to play the game, and current academia is part of it.

at my school, right?

SVA only has programs correlated to the school semesters (past the hs level), so FIT is more likely. (btw, SVA has one of the prettiest websites ever)

::i secretly want to draw comics::

posted on April 29 2008,7:59
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i did a painting for one of my classes ages ago, and i sort of liked it - and all my teacher did was tell me what to fix and expected me to sit in class and fix it up so she liked it. needless to say, i havent painted since.

posted on April 29 2008,8:08
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I love my school with no grades and no requirements

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posted on April 29 2008,8:12
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my AP drawing teacher hates my work. this used to sort of bother me but now i'm over it. i like my work, and i enjoy being the one to decide whether i should except criticism or not.

i also think i'm pretty relaxed about how much people like my work because i don't really give a shit about school(i got to an art magnet school) and i dont wanna go to cooper union or none of that business so i'm sort of laid back. i could understand stressin'.

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posted on April 29 2008,8:28
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what i learned from highschool: teachers and people who grade things are almost always wrong

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posted on April 29 2008,8:42
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I had an ass of a writing teacher who gave me mediocre grades and no helpful comments (how is writing "good" three places on the paper going to help me be a better writer?). Other writing classes, though, graded on other parts and only marked down our actual work by the amount it appeared that we half-assed it. Sharing one's work with anyone is going to cause you to receive criticism, whether numerical or written. Hopefully it's good, most of the time it won't be (especially if it's from other students). Ultimately, though, it's up to you to decide what is good and bad criticism, and fuck everyone who disagrees, especially if they don't have the time to give it any serious thought before giving it a grade.

posted on April 29 2008,8:43
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i, as an artist, made the best decision of my life by NOT going to art school. although i haven't done much art since high school, but its better with out someone looking over your shoulder and telling you to draw the nose better. fuck that.
art school would have killed me.

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posted on April 29 2008,8:45
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Quote (cloth @ April 29 2008,8:45)

Yeah, seriously, if you don't want your work judged, don't go to art school. It's really a very simple answer.

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posted on April 29 2008,8:53
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stephen, you're applying to art school?!

posted on April 29 2008,9:32
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agrivatedplatypus
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Really, if you don't want critique, don't take art classes.

A lot of Art Schools don't accept AP tests anyway.

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posted on April 29 2008,9:51
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Not to sound condescending, but as a working artist, you NEED to be able to listen to what others may or may not have to teach you. I assure you, when it comes time to be judged in REAL world circumstances, those looking to pay for your work/pay you to work for them will be by far more critical and mean.

In short, if you have trouble being critiqued, don't bother doing art at all.

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posted on April 29 2008,10:42
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Quote (VASS @ April 29 2008,9:42)

In short, if you have trouble being critiqued, don't bother doing art at all.

WORST LESSON EVER

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posted on April 29 2008,10:46
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Quote (VASS @ April 29 2008,10:42)

In short, if you have trouble being critiqued, don't bother doing art at all.

If art is nothing more than a commodity, then hell, I guess that's true.

posted on April 29 2008,11:08
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i dont really think any of you totally understand how art school works. art school is awesome! im doing a project right now where i take videos of the blue man group and use them as a blue screen and just make their skin into dragonball z videos. it's pretty awesome.

and i got a 3 on the ap art shit, and im more successful as an artist than any of the people i went to high school with who got 4s and 5s or however much you can get.

also im gonna sorta agree with vass, critiques are kinda important, but only from people you have respect for. there's no point in being critiqued by people you have no respect for because their probably not into your shit anyway.

posted on April 29 2008,11:42
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there's nothing wrong getting paid for your work, but creating work just so you can get paid doesn't make you an artist.

..unless that is you're "art."

but no matter if its your art or your lifestyle we all get critiqued somehow. my work gets destroyed by teachers, editors, and even my parents. dont mind it because sometimes it will help you and other times its just bullshit. you just have to decide which is which.

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Quote (zachazard @ April 29 2008,11:42)

also im gonna sorta agree with vass, critiques are kinda important, but only from people you have respect for. there's no point in being critiqued by people you have no respect for because their probably not into your shit anyway.

I'm way into critiques! I love my peers ripping (my writing) apart and making me look at things in a different way. I'm not into assigning arbitrary values to interpretative things, like artwork or even essays (meaning grades and AP scores).

My issue with Vass is that he suggested that there is no point to doing art if one doesn't plan on being a working artist/making money off of it.

And anyway, I'm totally jealous. Art school sounds like so much fun.

posted on April 29 2008,11:48
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Quote (cloth @ April 29 2008,10:46)

Quote (VASS @ April 29 2008,9:42)

In short, if you have trouble being critiqued, don't bother doing art at all.

WORST LESSON EVER

BEST LESSON EVER. That was for free. Anymore, well, it's gonna cost you..lol

Seriously. How well you do your art is just as important in how well you can take critique. If anyone has aspirations in being a working artist (graphic, computer, writing music etc), then it comes with the job. For me it's an everyday thing. At times, it rolls off your shoulders, at other times it makes you want to stab yourself repeatedly in your thigh. Thats when I call "Rat" and say "dude, lets get some lunch..lol"

DEA: An analogy to this would be football. If you do not like being tackled, then don't play.

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posted on April 30 2008,12:36
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Quote (VASS @ April 30 2008,12:36)

DEA: An analogy to this would be football. If you do not like being tackled, then don't play.

GRRRRRR!

People do art for a million different reasons. Some to make cash, some because its part of their culture to make usable art like kitchenware, some as therapy, some for fun, some as a vocation. Why should the people who do art for fun or therapy or function be subject to critique if they don't want it?

That analogy does not work at all!

Also, you seem to be working in very limited confines of what qualifies as art.

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